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On the Ground in L'viv

On Monday Lesya and I got back from L'viv. It was a great trip. In addition to some relaxing and visiting of tourist sites, we also met with the people running the Yushchenko tent in the middle of the city and talked with a lot of people living there.

The most interesting points were these: in L'viv we continued to hear stories, most of them firsthand, about how Yanukovych supporters were seen manipulating the results of round two of the election. Ironically enough, the only guy we didn't hear these stories from was the fellow in charge of the Yushchenko tent, Vasyl.

He said that between 25 and 40 people lived in the nearby tents, but it looked more like a dozen people there when we visited. He simply repeated that everything was fine.

"Did you see any falsifications?"

"Naw, everything was fine."

"How about the political reform package, what do you think of it?"

"Oh, it's fine."

"And the political situation in the country?"

"Fine."

We asked why he was personally there, and he said he and the other supporters were there "to protect our interest".

This was exceedingly surprising to me, as it was the first time I'd heard Yushchenko supporters talking like self-interested political players, rather than protesting based on moral grounds. It was only one guy, true, but I wanted to at least show you this interesting bit of conversation.

Later on we talked about the day after the election. Vasyl said that on that day the entire central plaza had been packed along its three block length. The protest had later closed down all business and school activity in the city.

The Yanukovych supporters had also been to the square. A couple days before they had showed up with their tents. They set everything up and the Yushchenko supporters chatted with them.

"They were nice enough," said Vasyl.

After setting up, the Yanukovych supporters took a couple pictures, and were gone again within about thirty minutes.

There was no sign of them when we got there.

Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 at 05:56AM by Registered CommenterDan McMinn | Comments7 Comments

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I am so happy! Finally, the paypal link at PORA works again. These guys are going need help whether for expenses, legal defense fund or hospitalization costs. Please donate.
December 23, 2004 | Unregistered CommenterDonate to PORA!
Dan, Did you ever find out what org. Vasyl was from, if any? His comment about protecting our interest sounds like a PORA person reply. Then again, could you tell if his laconic replies reflected a Ukrainian disposition to reticience unless safety and security is established? Interesting. Thanks for writing about it.
December 23, 2004 | Unregistered CommenterHello
Dan, I was wondering if you know when the election results are to be expected? First round results took 10 days (?), second round took 2 days (Putin called to congrat.) so when do you think it will be official? After Jan. 1?
December 24, 2004 | Unregistered CommenterHello again
Wprost weekly out of Warsaw has named Yushchenko "Person of the Year" for 2004.
in Uki http://www2.dw-world.de/ukrainian/int_nachrichten/2.80355.1.html
Maybe he could get Nobel? or Man of the Year?

And I think there are missed opportunities in the celebrity angle for ex. the Australian News did a whole story regarding the actions of the Klitschkos titled "Boxers in the Orange Corner" http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,11773583%255E2703,00.html

So is it too late to get Sting, Joe and Gerard involved?
December 24, 2004 | Unregistered CommenterThis is cool!
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December 24, 2004 | Unregistered Commentersanta ana
do you have an e-mail i want to submit art for the cause.
December 24, 2004 | Unregistered Commentersanta ana
Thanks for the info Mr. Donate. As you can see, I've changed my donation link to Pora.

Hello - oh drat. You've caught me in a bit of bad journalism. I am not certain if Vasyl was from Pora, I want to say he was now, but that may just be because your logic sounds good. As for whether it was Ukrainian reticence, I'm gonna leave it as is and not speculate, because I am honestly not sure.

I just wanted to let people know that I'd found a guy who does not talk about clear moral dichotomy like all the other activists I'd met. (they falsified the election, their candidate is a criminal, I saw X falsification with my own eyes...)

Most people expect the first round results took 10 days because the pro-admin CEC was stalling to avoid having to declare Yushchenko the winner.

The second round took until the 24th I believe. Putin jumped the gun, but I'd say rather than going with his congrats, better to put the date of the results as the date the CEC announced them.

I would personally expect this round to take in the neighborhood of 4-5 days like round two. I think the new CEC and huge number of observers should mean things run more smoothly, but I also think the new CEC is going to be cautious, for the obvious reason that the last results enraged a lot of people.

They may take a little longer, though, in order to deal with potential court proceedings, which I think the opposition is expecting a lot of from the administration and visa versa.

Santa ana - By all means I'd be interested in pictures. I do want to keep lampooning down to small numbers.(saw a ref to Putin in the pic path) I mostly have included lampoons as illustrations of what the Tent City looks like.

With that warning, if you want to send me pics, just click on my name next to any of the articles and you will be taken to a profile of me from which you can send me an email.
December 24, 2004 | Registered CommenterDan McMinn

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