Eliminating Corruption - Establishing Normalcy
I didn't realize it was an either/or proposition
In the Yushchenko-Tymoshenko conflict, both sides invoke Maidan, but do so in favor of different goals.
From Yushchenko, who recently called for "everybody to take the pragmatic and honest position for Ukraine" (in this long, long speech - please also look for some weak weaseling on his pact with Yanukovych), and from Yekhanurov, the talk has mostly focused on achieving normalacy. The Maidan protesters wanted normalacy, they wanted to live in a normal country. The new government has this goal in mind as they restore fiscal prudence from Tymoshenko profligacy (never mind that they were for that profligacy before the effects began to be felt).
From Tymoshenko's side, all the talk is about corruption. It was corrupt under Kuchma, Maidan protesters were primarily sick of that corruption, it's still just as corrupt now. The Yushchenko government has failed to clean things up, so they've betrayed the revolution.
The battle between them begs a question, and I went sifting through some Tent City Stories to try to answer it.
What Did The Protesters Want?
Not surprisingly, protesters wanted both, along with clean election. Some quotes:
For Normalcy
From one camp organizer:
"I know what I want. I want to live in a normal Western European country. I want to be European. But there was no reasoning with [Yanukovych supporters], they already knew Yanukovych was an oligarch criminal but they didn't care." - Pora Leader Andrey, from Kharkiv
from tent city residents the day the election results came in:
When we got to the tents, I asked a few of the guys on guard duty:
So do you count this as final victory?
"Naw," one guy said, "it's not the ultimate victory."
"Well, when will it be then?" I asked.
"That victory we'll celebrate when everything is set down and official."
"What are you saying?" interjected another fellow. "Final victory will come down the line when we feel free and victorious. When the country is on a normal course, only then will we have achieved final victory."
"Well, yeah, that sounds about right," agreed the first.
For an End to Corruption:
Of course the corruption element is implied in the "Bandi Ghet!" (Clans Out!) slogan used so often. It's also the usual accusation leveled at Kuchma, and the corruption under Kuchma (referred to as "Kuchmism" by the following groups) was one of the major factors animating the Pora and Maidan activists.
For Clean Elections
from this collection of mini-interviews:
Alyona said lots of the people she knew in Donetsk and Luhansk had voted for Yushchenko, but when the numbers had come out, they'd been afraid to speak up. The rest nodded. Roman from L'viv said a number of his friends had had their teachers take away their passports at University just before the election...
One of the Maxes had been in a particularly difficult situation, he said. He'd been able to catch the town mayor taking part in the falsification of the vote in the town on video tape, and the tape had been his reason for coming to Kyiv..."'Just vote for the candidate you want,' [Yushchenko election observer and tent city volunteer Katrina told an old woman she was bringing the mobile ballot box to]. But [the old woman] kept asking, and I had to keep repeating myself. Eventually she said to me, 'You know, I want to vote for Yushchenko, but I'm frightened. A bunch of people came to me recently and said they'd beat me if I didn't vote for Yanukovych.'
[more from Katrina]...That was just one person! They had lots of people scared, and I know that they were buying votes, too! Some people they paid twenty griven, fifty griven for votes. People would get cigarettes or bread and cast their votes, thinking they'd get something more for it. They didn't even know what they were selling." She went on to say they even had blank vote count protocols floating around that she didn't trust. Instead, she made up her own protocol and brought it to Kyiv to check against the results. It was from that protocol that she knew there'd been falsifications, and that was why she was here.
Elections Were Primary; They're Over Now; Can We Please Move On?
To me, the answer to which element was more important was in one of Tymoshenko's biggest speeches on Maidan. The thing to notice in the article is that, while discussion frequently referenced corruption , the action items were practical, short-term ones. At the end, even after all the shouting of "Bandi Ghet!", when she asked "Will you stay with us until the end?" we knew she wasn't asking us if we would support the Yushchenko government until 2023, we knew she meant "until the legitimate election on December 26".
The elections were primary, and all the posturing as the "real" defenders of the Orange Revolution merely sabotages the government's ability to make an forward progress now. When Tymoshenko ignored the economic woes in by saying that 4% growth is pretty good compared to developed western countries, or when Yushchenko ignored his commitment to massive social spending by blaming the resulting problems on Tymoshenko, they exhibit a strange kind of reformist schizophrenia. Of course protesters wanted what Ukrainians undoubtedly still want: a government that is clean and functional. If Yu and Ty didn't keep arguing past one another, they might find out they still have a lot more in common than some of their ostensible allies.
Side Note on Constitutional Reform
Speaking of the current political crisis, I also found an old quote by an Andrei from Kyiv. He should do political talk shows with commentary like this:
We asked him what he thought of the recent package reform bill that had passed, and which would reduce the powers of the President starting in September. We'd heard some of the volunteers were disappointed, not to mention Yulia Tymoshenko.
"Oh, I'm for Constitutional reform," he replied, "one person shouldn't have unlimited powers. And Tymoshenko, yeah, she's a radical or course," he chuckled a little.

Reader Comments (15)
I also know that many middle class types would like noise-pollution laws and laws against people being drunk on the streets.
Another hot issue seemed to be the teaching of Christian Ethics in schools, which I understood was unpaid by volunteers and going to become mandatory for students under Yuschenko.
dlw
Glad to see your still alive and kicking after your victory in the election. Any history lesson would suggest the Russian Bear will rise again, so keep up the hard work. I'm a Canadian with Ukrainian back ground (Hoyrn)-as well as a lot of Scottish funny enough.
Probably less promising to you is my neo-conservative site. You site has been ranked #8th this month on our European blog ranking system.
We have a political questionnaire that we would like you to fill out, if possible, for our blog readers to get a better gauge of your site's positions. This is optional, but would be helpful.
Either way keep up the dangerous work.
If the court system isn't currently working well anyways, maybe it is best to grant a reprieval and focus on building up the system so as to prevent more such shenanigans in future elections and to build the people's trust in the system.
So long as the extent of the wrongdoing is exposed and kept on people's minds, there will be a strong incentive for Yusch to make and hold to changes to keep more in power.
dlw
My name is Dmytro, I live in Mozambique and I do my own blog in portuguese, about Orange Revolution. For some reason, I can´t establish any contact with you. But I think, we bouth do the same job, we told in positive way to the World, about Ukraine and ukrainian Revolution.
I have proposal to you, to exange the links beetwen our blogs. But if for any reason, you don´t wont / don´t like this idea, please let me know by e-mail and I will not disturbe you any more. Promice!
Blogger
Thanks for the word on the word on the street. I don't know about any Christian school laws, do you have any articles on the subject?
Stan - I'm very glad you're still posting. You asked about my credentials and funding in another posting on the site last month and I've finally gotten back to you. Please pardon me for taking so long, I've been in the process of moving for the last few weeks.
As for this posting, plese do take a look at my recent posting on the problems with the judicial system in Ukraine. I'm rather proud of it. My basic point is that the effect of the new immunity law is unlikely to be very great. This is because the de facto rule has long been "you can't prosecute politicians", just like Andriy says. All the new law may do is transition that from de facto to de jure. Please don't think I'm justifying the law, it is still awful. But it's also only the final period at the end of many years of awful informal policy.
Intrepid: goodness, I don't know how to respond. Thank you for valuing the opinions here. I certainly think you're overvaluing my own intrepidness in saying I should "keep up the dangerous work". There was some risk involved in the first two weeks of the election (though I couldn't hold a candle to the Ukrainians on Maidan), but I've been as safe as anyone since then. Especially now that my wife and I are in the US. (planning to move back to Ukraine in about three years).
As I'm in the US now trying to provide info from abroad, I may already be disqualified from your listings. So saying I'd certainly be willing to fill out a questionairre for you. I will email you about it. It'd be interesting to see how our views di/converge.
Dmytro - I apologize if I haven't gotten in touch with you about a posting elsewhere. I haven't been keeping up the site with consistent rigor, it's more sporadic. I am also going to have to apologize (I've done this a lot in this posting) because I can't trade links. I appreciate that you are a fellow Ukraine watcher, and you are certainly no further away from Ukraine than I am (closer actually), but I have a really firm rule for myself: I won't include blogs in my blog listings that I can't read and verify myself. Since I can't read Portuguese I simply can't link your site. I do wish you the best of luck in reporting on Ukraine, though.
I was thinking that rather than go after the many who had done wrong in the past, that the idea was to focus more on preventing future abuses of authority.
I don't have any articles on Christian Ethics classes in Ukraine. My sources were first hand. I do think that what deserves more reporting is on the incipient civil society, intermediary institutions within Ukraine.
I think one key step for this will be the spread of knowledge of what is needed for democracy. As I shared with you early, the principles agreed on are simple: One is that democratic politics requires a willingness to compromise. The other is that democracy at its best is practiced by leaders who engage each other in reasoned debate about the fundamental issues of civil society.
This includes a continued belief that peaceful demonstrations like with OR can be effective means to foster changes if the targets are well chosen. That's why I think it matters how the people perceive OR and for them to not just pin their hopes on Yusch or Tymo or getting "good people" elected for fostering changes.
I also hear there is a lot of debate going on about joining Nato or WTO and that the business people aren't crazy about joining WTO, I guess they don't want the competition.
blessings,
dlw
I'm with you on prefering democratic institutions over "good" people.
I don't think I'd be able to look up the reference, but the fact stands quite clearly in my memory. Of course, while formally speaking he had his point then (let's recall Mukachevo, and general constant pressure on the opposition represented by Our Ukraine exerted by pan Kuchma's government) in my opinion the mutual cover-up of the guys in power causes much worse problems in Ukraine than anything else and at the same time it makes the possibility of any sort of real dictature quite unlikely in our country (let alone we never-ever had lasting home-brewed dictatorship in our history, so if this happened it would be a most astonishing incident). And so the lack of responsibility born from both the factual and the legal immunities should be deemed the first priority item to strike down
You're right about how party dictatorship precludes individual dictatorship. Another frequent poster, Chris, thought I was being excessively anti-Russian and anti-Soviet, partly basing his argument on the fall of Central Asia into nasty individual dictatorships after the fall of Communism. It was a strong argument.
Remember that Bandera came from the 1/3 western region of Ukraine when it was just recently dislodged from Hapsburgite rule. His background was that of a rural based socio-economic conservative.
Rather interestingly, during the Russian Civil War, the Galician Ukrainians were on better terms with the Russian Whites than with Simon Petlura; the latter of whom is now idolized by west Ukrainian nationalists.
At the time of the Russian Civil War, the Galician Ukrainians viewed Petlura as a wily socialist, circumspect into making a deal with Josef Pilsudski to cede western Ukraine over to Poland in exchange for Warsaw propping the one time Communist allied Petlura. This in fact happened.
In case anyone missed it, here's a very good article by Kirill Pankratov on contemporary Ukrainian politics:
http://www.exile.ru/2005-October-21/ukraine.html
Michael: Bandera was pretty extreme, no doubt. And like I said elsewhere, a decent article, although it doesn't say much that we don't already know, snarkily.
BTW Yushchenko's wife was pretty extreme in the early 19 eighties, when she headed the Captive Nations Committee.